THE ADVERTISER, THURSDAY, AUGUST 21,2008 PAGE 15

KIDS SHOULD HAVE MUM AND DAD, SAYS FATHER FRANCIS

Priest slams gay adoption plans

Anglican rift over gay priests' vows
The 'marriage' of two Church of England priests in an Anglican Church has reignited controversy over the homosexual  clergy and same-sex civil partnerships. The Rev Martin Dudley married clergymen an Peter Cowell and David Lord at St Bartholomew's church in central London last month. Mr Dudley said he disagreed with church guidelines saying gay clergy could only enter civil partnerships if they abstained from sex. ' It seems to be utter hypocrisy to deny that there are gay men and women within the church and gay clergy,' he added. He dismissed comments made by the Archbishop of Uganda,Henry Orombi,as 'cultural and theological prejudices' when he said respect for the Church Of England would 'erode' unless it returned to 'traditional teaching'. [METRO]

ANGERED by new adoption laws: Father Francis WadsworthPRIEST in Ashton has used parish newsletter to slam a new law that forces all adoption agencies to let gay couples adopt children.

Father Francis Wadsworth said in the St Ann's Catholic Church newsletter that it was 'a deliberate attempt by the government to drive out of the culture of our country the very idea that being heterosexual is normal and that a healthy marriage is a good and God-made way of life.'

He wrote that he feared the South Manchester-based Catholic Children's Rescue Society - which serves Ashton as part of the Salford Diocese - could have to close as a result.

It has since stopped acting as an adoption agency although it continues to offer other services such as fostering, post-adoption and and family support. He added: "Now with no offence to the gays - does not the child have a right to a normal family life after the traumas of the process which has led to their being adopted in the first place?"

Under the Equality Act, introduced by the government last year, adoption agencies are banned from turning away homosexual couples.

Hopes of an exception for the Catholic Church, which opposes homosexuality, fell down when the government dramatically vetoed it last year.

Father Wadsworth told the Advertiser: "The teachings of the Catholic Church are that the best place for the raising of children is in the context of marriage because the Church teaches, and I certainly believe, that to raise the child adequately you have to have both mother and father."

But Andrew Gilliver from Manchester's Lesbian and Gay Foundation said people who opposed gay adoption were getting their priorities wrong.

"As long as you can provide a good home, that's the important thing. There's no such thing as a 'normal' family.

"People are entitled to their beliefs, but when it comes to the law everyone is equal. You have to look at the bigger picture. "And if that means some agencies close down because they are not providing a service equally then, to be honest, they should.

"There are still too many kids in the north west that need good homes - we're concentrating on the wrong issue."

RIP BOBBY GRIFFITH


Children and family life are so precious

WELL done, Father Francis! His article was so true and he said what so many of us have been thinking-

Family life is precious and both a father and mother are needed by children. As a 90 year old with two daughters, eight grandchildren (two of whom were from a rescue home by a mother and father who wanted them), 24great- grandchildren and now my fifth generation, a great.great.granddaughter I cannot emphasis too strongly how a mother and father are essential.

Yes, I am a most fortunate woman in having the love and support of a family particularly during the last 41 years of being a widow.

Let us get back to family life and make this country of ours a better place for everyone.

THORA BEDARD
Freeman Avenue
Ashton

You cannot tell others how to live their lives

Metro 3/10/08WITH respect to Father Wadsworth who thinks children need 'God's model of a normal family'.

I would like to point out that God does not exist and that the model of what is normal is created by nature and evolution.

The fact is that gay people are the product of heterosexual copulation and are therefore legitimate human beings and not 'abnormal' as Father Wadsworth and his ignorant religious piety suggest.

Beliefs

Andrew Gilliver says 'Everyone is entitled to their beliefs.' I beg to 'differ. No one is entitled to believe falsities and thence proceed to tell others how they should live upon those lies.

It is time the church realised that what is true and what they believe are two different things - and what is made lawful should be based on truths, not age-old traditional superstitions.

DL BORRELL
Bamford Grove
Hazelhurst

We should all love thy neighbour

IN this day and age, I am disgusted to see that a respected pillar of the community could be so openly ignorant.
Who does Father Francis think he is? If the Bible is to be followed, the most important message would be to 'Love thy neighbour'. However, by producing this prejudiced, pathetic article, he has completely disregarded this all- important commandment.
Many acceptable members of our society have grown up with single parents, grand-parents and even with their siblings raising them. what difference would a same sex couple make?
If anything they would benefit from this as they would grow up to accept and respect all types of people.
Also to Mrs Beddard, who has so many descendants: would you deny your grandchild a child of their own simply because they fell in love with someone of the same sex?
If so, you obviously have never experienced the feeling of unconditional love for them.
One more message from the Bible for everyone to remember; 'Let those without sin cast the first stone.' which means that only when you are perfect can you criticise others.
SAMANTHA FLYNN Newmarket Road Ashton [Sep18,2008]

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Dear Ed,

Your contributor A Sulaiman doesn't seem to realise the history of homosexual people. Far from belitting anyone's plight,the similarities are obvious.In both cases,the people were chastised,tortured,murdered,denied rights and denigrated merely for being who they were. The group to whom he refers can boast relative equality. Homosexuals on the other hand are still routinely dispatched by various factions,nevermind not given equality.

If anyone belittles someone's plight it is A Sulaiman who still refers to skin colour as "black". The continued reference to skin colour as a Venn circle that refers to one sub-population is the myth of the politically correct,that denies people not in that circle the same rights.Does Mr Sulaiman mean to tell us that anyone not white is black? What about people of other races or mixed descent?Gay marriages should not happen in church so long as the belief system says that homosexuality is wrong. The problem is religious belief is bigoted at it's core and fails to reflect what people are actually like. I fully understand the ignorance of thinking homosexuality is a sin from religious belief.But the fact is that heterosexuals create homosexuals and so any taboo is based upon inability to naturally procreate. The non-existent god has nothing to do with moral choices.

Dear Ed

Andrew and Richard seem to have missed the point about gay marriage.

Homosexuals are not after "everything they want",they are after what they are entitled to;equality. You cannot have a "different opinion" as tohether people are entitled to the same basic human rights.This is the absurd myth that Christians cling to,they are as flat earthers trying to hold on to what is provably false.


A gay kiss is still a kiss

Offensive? The Heinz mayo advert [Metro Jun26,2008]• Your story about Heinz pulling its mayonnaise advert because it showed two men kissing stated more than 200 viewers complained, with some saying 'they didn't like that they had to explain to their children why two men were kissing' (Metro, Wed). Surely the answer to the question: 'Mummy, why are two men kissing?' is 'Because sometimes men love each other'. Children will see gay men and women for the rest of their' lives, so why not teach them some simple things while they are young and accepting? Those people so offended by the advert should be wondering why they find a gesture of affection so disturbing. Love is love and there should be more of it, regardless of who is loving who.
Name and address supplied

• Although it's a shame that Heinz has pulled its advert, the real people who should be bowing their heads in shame are the people who actually wrote in and complained.
Tony Newell, London SE24

• Does anybody else feel sorry for these parents who complained? They will surely end up distancing themselves from their children as they grow up in today's modern world, which their parents seem to be so in denial of.
G Richard, Kent

• That 202 people complained about a mayonnaise advert shows 202 people need educating about life. How is discrimination supposed to be tackled without education?
Joseph Royall, London SW1

Practise what you preach Mars: Get some nuts

• Following on from Scott Mason, who questions how the Mr T Snickers ad could be offensive to gay people (Metro, Wed) - as a gay man, I think: the ad is hilarious and I never related the tight shorts wearing speed walker with being gay. Why would I? In fact, I take offence that the US campaigning group Human Rights Campaign has complained because it interpreted the man as being gay just because he has a funny walk. Perhaps the HRC should focus its resources on worthwhile cases of gay discrimination. What's even more offensive to me is that Mars, which makes Snickers, has actually given in and pulled the advert globally. It just shows the company has no backbone, and that,in any case, it needs to practise what Mr T preaches: 'Get some nuts!' Grrrrr
Menno Kuijper London SW2

• Last time I checked you didn't have to be gay to speed walk in a pair of tight shorts. if anything, the advert is offensive to people who wear tight shorts, gay or straight
John, Sheffield, via text

• I find it offensive that unusual and fun adverts are pulled due to a few narrow-minded individuals. Does that mean Mars should reinstate the advert to stop me being offended?
A Finch, Kent

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Priests claim football star's wedding is 'invalid' in the eyes of God

Rooney's £5m 'sham'

BY JO STEELE

 It must be love: Rooney's nuptials may be branded tasteless but this picture proves even Italian billionaires can't buy style. Flavio Briatore, 58, wears shoes embroidered with his and bride Elisabetta Gregoraci's initials at their Rome wedding on Saturday [Picture:Rex Features]WAYNE ROONEY'S £5million wedding to Coleen McLoughlin was a sham, Italian church leaders claimed yesterday. The couple married in a converted monastery which had been deconsecrated and was not eligible to host religious services, a priest said.
Father Mario Osfigoni said he suggested another church 5miles (8km) away in Genoa but the couple ignored his advice and the wedding, conducted by Coleen's family priest Fr Edward Quinn, went ahead. Fr Ostigoni said: 'The Bishop of Chiavari is not at all happy with what happened and I should imagine that Father Quinn's local bishop in Shrewsbury will also want to know what happened. Wed or not? Rooney and Coleen
'If he did carry out a blessing or some form of religious event, then it was wrong and it has absolutely no validity in the eyes of the Catholic church and in the eyes of the Lord.' He said La Cervara had not been a recognised venue for several months. Bishop Tanasini, who gave permission for the marriage, was said to have been 'astonished at the behaviour and endless partying, fuelled by alcohol' that surrounded the wedding. A source close to the Manchester United footballer and his fashionista bride said: 'They had a religious service at La Cervara after taking advice and thought they were OK.'

Superstitious types 'lack control'

Last Updated: Friday, 03 October 2008, 02:42 GMT- Search: Superstitious lack control

People lacking control in their lives will have superstitions

People lacking control in their lives may be more likely to believe in conspiracy theories and superstitions, a study has found. Wearing "lucky socks", counting magpies or insisting that the moon landings were faked all reflect a search for order in the world, say psychologists. Through a series of experiments, the US scientists showed that individuals suffering a loss of control tended to see non-existent images, perceive conspiracies, or become superstitious. Professor Adam Galinsky, from Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois, who led the research, said: "The less control people have over their lives, the more likely they are to try and regain control through mental gymnastics.

"Feelings of control are so important to people that a lack of control is inherently threatening. While some misperceptions can be led or lead one astray, they're extremely common and most likely satisfy a deep and enduring psychological need." In situations of little control, individuals may think that mysterious, unseen forces are secretly at work, said the researchers writing in the journal Science. One experiment involved asking volunteers to look at a collection of "snowy" pictures. Half were meaningless grainy patterns of random dots, while the other half also contained faintly visible images such as a chair, a boat or the planet Saturn. All the participants correctly identified 95% of the hidden images. But some also thought they saw pictures in 43% of the pictures that were just random scatterings of dots. In an earlier part of the experiment, these individuals had been made to feel a loss of control. Volunteers taking part in another test were asked to recall and write about events over which they had control, while others wrote about out-of-control situations like a car accident or illness striking friends or relatives.

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Church: keep your nose out

I WRITE in angry response to the letter from half a dozen members of Hyde's clergy urging voters in Newton to vote for anything other than the BNP. While most people, including most people in Newton, find the sentiments and beliefs held by the BNP to be repulsive, one must accept that the BNP is a legitimate party.
In that respect, the Church has absolutely no place whatsoever to influence the democratic process about to go on in Newton. Would it be appropriate for the Church to tell voters to vote for Labour and not the Conservatives? I would like to make it clear that I'm not arguing for the Church to be silent on issues such as racism (that was a failing of the Church in Nazi Cermany after all); however, they should not target specific, legitimate parties standing for election. On principle, that is undemocratic. The Church should know its place, which is to provide moral guidance on issues of conscience such as abortion, not to pontificate about which political party voters should vote for. And I say that as a practising Christian.
T HATTON
Gray Close, Mottram

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Praying Parents Who Let Girl Die Are Jailed

A couple who watched their daughter die as they prayed for her to get better - instead of getting medical help - have been jailed. Skip related content

Madeline Neumann, 11, died on the floor while her parents Dale, 47, and Leilani, 41, surrounded her with members of a prayer group.

The little girl had become so weak she could no longer eat, speak, drink or walk.

The parents, from Wisconsin, America, were each sentenced to six months in jail after being convicted of second-degree reckless homicide.

They could have been given up to 25 years in prison for the March 2008 death of Madeline, who died of an undiagnosed but treatable form of diabetes.

Marathon County Circuit Court Judge Vincent Howard, sentencing, said the Neumanns were "very good people raising their family, who made a bad decision, a reckless decision".

"God probably works through other people, some of them doctors," the judge told the couple.

Prosecutors argued the Neumanns recklessly killed the youngest of their four children by ignoring obvious symptoms of severe illness.

They said the couple had a legal duty to take their daughter to a doctor, but relied totally on prayer for healing.

The girl, known as Kara, passed away at the family's rural Weston home. One of the prayer group called 911 after she stopped breathing.

"We are here today because, to some, you made Kara a martyr to your faith," the judge told the parents.

In videotaped interviews with police, the couple said they believed healing came from God and that they never expected their daughter to die.

Leilani Neumann said: "I do not regret trusting truly in the Lord for my daughter's health. Did we know she had a fatal illness? No. Did we act to the best of our knowledge? Yes."

The judge ordered the couple to serve one month in jail each year for six years, so they can "think about Kara and what God wants you to learn from this".


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